WTF?..obama's election win void ,null and invalid .

[Hubsu]

Seems simple enough but in practice it isn't simple to remove a sitting President.

So, if this matter was known before the election, why it took this long for the opposition to wake up? Come on, one and a half years since the matter first came up?

I'd fire the people in the opposing party who let this to slip away during the campaing. It wasn't too hard to notice, since even BBC had it in their news. Clearly the people responsible for not taking this more serious during the campaing are either democrat moles or not up to their job.

[Grieg]

Seems simple enough but in practice it isn't simple to remove a sitting President.

So, if this matter was known before the election, why it took this long for the opposition to wake up? Come on, one and a half years since the matter first came up?

I'd fire the people in the opposing party who let this to slip away during the campaing. It wasn't too hard to notice, since even BBC had it in their news. Clearly the people responsible for not taking this more serious during the campaing are either democrat moles or not up to their job.

It was brought up long before this. What would you have the opposition do? Mount a coup? Even if it can be brought before the Supreme Court it could takes years to resolve if delaying tactics are used. Of course the court could decide to expedite however there is much reluctance to use the courts to overturn what the voters have decided.

[Hubsu]

What would you have the opposition do?

Come up with a credible case and get the thing running. All this lip flapping in internet forums and little to no actions in the real world is a bit... odd.

Just get the lawsuit out and you have your Sarah Palin running the country. Better late than never, right?

[Grieg]

What would you have the opposition do?

Come up with a credible case and get the thing running. All this lip flapping in internet forums and little to no actions in the real world is a bit... odd.

Just get the lawsuit out and you have your Sarah Palin running the country. Better late than never, right?

Not sure what you are talking about. Have the Republicans been lip flapping on internet forums? I wasn't aware that if Obama was inelligible to be President according to the Constitution then Sarah Palin would become President. Do you know something that we don't?

[Hubsu]

Not sure what you are talking about.

That was to be expected. Keep up the good work and better luck on the next election.

[Grieg]

Not sure what you are talking about.

That was to be expected. Keep up the good work and better luck on the next election.

To be expected? You pretty much suck at subtlety don't you? lol...I guess that is to be expected considering that sarcasm is the sum total of your "contribution" to this topic

[ram]

If what you are saying is true, then why is it that Obama is still your President?

Seems simple enough but in practice it isn't simple to remove a sitting President. AFAIK nothing like this issue has been raised before, certainly not in modern times. In all probabilty he will not be removed based on this issue. If things continue like they are he might be a single term President though and if it is later established that he knew he was foreign born and refused to disclose it his tenure as President will be tarnished in history (even more than it likely seems to be).

He will not be removed because the issue is not tenable.

..... and it's too early to say that he won't be reelected

[ram]

It was brought up long before this. What would you have the opposition do? Mount a coup? Even if it can be brought before the Supreme Court it could takes years to resolve if delaying tactics are used. Of course the court could decide to expedite however there is much reluctance to use the courts to overturn what the voters have decided.

It will not reach the US Supreme Court because there is no tangible evidence to show that Obama is not an American Citizen, so the highest court has nothing to review, hence that is issue is dead.

[Ricky]

It is something of a minefield, isn't it? All revolving round the 'natural born citizen' issue which is generally interpreted as being born in the country, but has had all kinds of rulings etc over the years. Somebody needs to nail down a definition of that phrase and who it applies to. As far as I can tell, if he was born in Hawaii then he's all good (despite his dad's nationality). If not, then it becomes a bit more murky.

It seems that most cases against Obama have been thrown out of court for the simple reason that they are not legally valid - private citizens do not have the standing to challenge the eligibility of Presidential candidates, it is a job for Congress. Which leads me back to one of my original questions - does somebody run a quick check on Presidential candidates?

[wooden major]

i think that anyone who has read this thread through ,will have to agree that there are valid and credible reasons to doubt that obama meets the costitutional requirements to run for the office of president ,when he ran for senator in illinois he claimed under oath ,that he had never gone by any name other than barrack hussain obama ,this was clearly a huge bald faced lie ,was it not ?

we have fairly reliable evidence that obama was naturalized an indonesian citizen when his mother remarried and moved obama to that state .if obama was actually born in hawaii then he was issued a "birth certificate " , i he had one ,i think we would have seen it by now .why are obama's university transcrpts such a closely guarded secret ?

ricky ,other presidents have had to deal with this question before ,john mcCain was the most recent beside obama ,he was born in panama as a navy brat and thus excused from futher scrutiny .obama with the help of the DNC managed to side step this issue prior to being sworn in .i would argue that being a harvard proffesor of constitutional law does NOT somehow exscuse obama from costitutional law ....and to answer your question ,..ah , apparently we DO NOT vett potential candidates for president with the same dilligence we vett potential candidates for the secret service ..

look for this embarrassing lapse to be corrected by the election of 2012 ...the DNC will be exposed for their shameless pimping and pandering and america will never be "barraked" again ....i think that once the truth is known ,the DNC will be punished by the american electorate for many years to come ,the dems could
have won with hillary, imo , and selling their souls to the devil to put an illegal alien in the white house ,is a crime that will haunt them for a long ,long time .

i think greig is correct ,obama is a one term kinda guy and if the next yemeni torpedoe hits its mark ,he could face a grass roots effort to impeach ,it seems certain that he could not survive a serious demand to prove his US nationality ,much less his hawaiian birthplace ,

gw bush was hounded by the mainstream media until he produced his transcripts from yale and his national guard service records .a pennyless barry soetoro traveled to pakistan on an indonesian passport in 1980 (after a quick stop in jakarta to get it re-stamped ) when did barry become a US citizen ,where is his hawaiian birth certificate and how did he acquire a social security number issued in connecticut ,a state he never resided in ?

barry soetoro wrote a book called "audacity " under his better known kenyan muslim psueudonym ,whatever other character flaws ,obama might some day be accussed of , a lack of " audacity "wont be among them .obama has plenty of "hutzpah " when it comes to defending the rights of islamic terrorists and the PC culture that allowed the ft hood massacre .

obama's own stated deadline for confronting the nuclear arsenal of the awaited " 12th imam ", has come and gone , wheres this famous "audacity "when the free world really needs it ?,,,soon the "persian gulf " will be entirely persian again ,is this your idea of "hope and change " ,,and if so ,for god's sake ,why ?

[ram]

Nice rant Woody

The trouble with the search for the "birth certificate" of Obama is that, his failure to present that document will not preclude him from filing his candidacy comes the US national election this 2012, because his certificate of live birth shall suffice the confirmation of his American Citizenship as one of the essential elements to be elected in the Office of the US President and the head of the Executive Department of the US Government. Ergo, such argument that the absence of the birth certificate will prevent Obama to be reelected is an exercise in vain imho.

[wooden major]

ram ,wouldnt you agree that there is sufficient reason for the american people to have some doubts as to where exactly mr soetoro was actually born ,given that the state of hawaii had in fact ,issued "certificates of live birth " to parents who had children born OUTSIDE of that state in the early sixties ? that and the fact that mr soetoro was apparently natureralized as an indonesian citizen per his jakarta grade school records ?

and...omama's own kenyan family members claim that he was born near mombassa and that they were in attendance at that event ...and that no hospital documents ,doctors ,nurses or medical staff have been able to attest to his alleged birth in that state ? and that the only document that would actually conferm his hawaiian birth ,has yet to be produced ?

is it your position that obama WAS born in a hawaiian hospital but ..they forgot to issue him a birth certificate or mabey they simply misplaced the document ?...did they instead decide to issue a "certificate of live birth ",that day in august 1961 BECAUSE they ran out of "long form" type blanks ? if this was the case ,just what type of ink jet printers were in use then ...and what hospital ,,er..typist ,inkjetted the fathers race as ,,lol , "AFRICAN "...really , in 1961 ?

not "negro" or "coloured" or "black " ....but "african "...hmm, what hawaiian hospital did you say issued this mysterious document ,again ?...one wonders how many other "african" babys were born in hawaiin hospitals that year ? mabey barraks mom thought they were asking what continent he was born in ..but they had the cursor on the wrong line ?

ill have to go dig up my own birth certificate from that era ,perhaps the race of my parents is listed as "american " ...ill let you know .perhaps ricky could check and see if his parents were described as being of the "english" or "european " race ....mabey smeg's birth certificate lists his parent's races as "australian ".

greig was born in the USA at about the same era as myself ,mabey under his parents race ,the key strokes denoted them as being "southern " or "confederate "
or the race of "old dixie "...egyptians,algerians and dutch boer farmers all live in africa ,are they all somehow of the "african " race ?

really RAM ,you have always shown yourself in this forum, to be objective ,honest and thoughtful , yet in this paticular thread you seem to implie that I am the one who is being swayed by some nefarious campaign of "right wing propaganda ", you have made no effort to rebutt any of my arguments or rather simple questions on this issue and continue to merely assert the obama party line .ie. that the obama website posted a document (of dubious origin ) online ,which were it proven legitimate ,would still not (per the state of hawaii ), prove the actual LOCATION of obama's birth .why do you defend all this lawyerly evasion ,obfuscation and obvious cover-up ?

i think we can indeed agree that there appears to be a massive conspirecy ,a fraud and a well orchestrated cover-up .but be honest my freind ,who is covering up what ?...and why ?.... who is preventing the state of hawaii from produceing a "certified copy of obama's long form birth certificate " ? ...who has ordered that obama's university records be "officialy sealed " ? why did "barrak soetoro" clearly lie under oath ,to the voters of illinois ? where and when did obama get his social security card ? how can the american people hope to separate whats TRUE from what is merely PROPAGANDA ? why cant you at least admit that we amercan voters have some very reasonable grounds for concern ?

[Grieg]

greig was born in the USA at about the same era as myself ,mabey under his parents race ,the key strokes denoted them as being "southern " or "confederate "

Actually I think the term was Unreconstructed

[canambridge]

http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/bi ... ficate.asp

[ram]

Fair enough Woody. I did not intend to undermine the rights of the American people to scrutinize the records of Obama as an American citizen for after all such is an exercise of freedom in the democratic society of the US, every person has the right to manifest his opinion because it is an inherent right of everyone to know the truth.

However, it is axiomatic that Obama is an American Citizen based on his certificate of live birth which was issued by a government office in Hawaii. That public, legal, and official document suffices the fact that he is an American Citizen under the principle of jus soli which is the recognized manner of determining the citizenship of every natural born American Citizen according to the Constitution, otherwise the citizenship could be acquired by naturalization.

Parenthetically, the status quo provides that the issuance of the certificate of live birth is in order and the entries thereat are not the product of any forgery, because no one is convicted of any crime, hence that document suffices the fact that Obama is an American. Such is the truth in lieu of the contrary.

Now, on those suppositions that you argued Woody, I submit that they are all speculations, if indeed in Hawaii there can be registration that a person was born in that place in the 60's though in truth is that one is born in another place, then the parties concerned for that falsification and perjury of the entries or information in the said certificate of live birth must be sued and should be convicted in the court of law. If it is true that Obama was born somewhere else and not in Hawaii then someone should go to jail. But since no one is convicted of any crime, then the certificate of live birth of Obama is with the effect of law and binding against the whole word.

Speculations can be manifested as a form of opinion in the public and that is the essence of democracy, but the validity and legality of the same is another story.

Once again admire your passion to argue, Woody